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  • 0xbadcafebee 10 minutes

    This is pretty cool. It's too bad it's just for fleets. Must be they realized how much money was going to imported Kei trucks, and that they could just... do the importing themselves, and pick up some cash. (edit: looks like they sacrificed payload for the AC/heat? only 600lbs?)

    The SXS looks cool, but gearheads want a tiny Jeep replacement (which there are none of in the US), not another UTV/buggy we already have

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  • erickhill 6 minutes

    660cc engine at ~40 horsepower is about the same as a mid-70s VW Beetle - not in cc size, but HP potential.

    This little truck could do a lot more than 25 mph if it were allowed to do so. Not saying that would be safe, and I'd not want to ever put one on a busy freeway, but for getting around most urban cities in the US it's fine as-is but would be even better if the limit was ~40 mph.

  • mike_d 6 minutes

    In 1963 Lyndon Johnson added "light trucks" to the Chicken Tax as a quid pro quo to prevent the auto workers union from striking before the election.

    As a result we don't get "right sized" trucks like the kei or more efficient farm vehicles like the hilux.

  • justinai6 15 minutes

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  • snovymgodym 4 minutes

    tl;dr: it's for the neighborhood golf cart market

  • thelittlenag 23 minutes

    I didn't know Scion had left...

    jdc0589 59 seconds

    bruh

  • Liuser 24 minutes

    Who is the target market for this? It’s an ICE vehicle, 4wd and limited to a maximum speed of 25mph. Farmers?

    alistairSH 13 minutes

    I have a few friends who've purchased older kei trucks. One for use on his property, the other got his tagged in NC (IIRC, it was NC). The local bicycle shop also has a kei van as their "shop truck" (another used one imported from Japan). The imports will go faster than 25mph, but they are terrible on the highway. The 25mph is an artificial limit to meet LSV regulations.

    All that said, $25k isn't cheap when you can get a basic Polaris SXS for $15k. It might not be street legal in many states, but much of the usage is going to be on private property.

    80fj0348i 7 minutes

    I think a kei truck might be a better choice than a sxs if noise ordinances are a concern. e.g. utility vehicles for groundskeeping staff

    DASD 5 minutes

    I'm in Western North Carolina(Asheville) and there are an actual number of kei trucks here. Not every other vehicle common but enough to see maybe 5-10 every day.

    There are even a few businesses that specialize in these vehicles: https://www.marsminitrucks.com

    everdrive 18 minutes

    It also seems like it'd be a really good city pickup truck.

    100percentjake 7 minutes

    Fleets, as evidenced by Toyota/Scion saying they will exclusively sell to fleet purchasers. My local university, for an example, had 20 or so Daihatsu Hijets when I went to school there, which have given way to far more expensive Ford Bronco Sports and similar. I assume the lack of parts supply and repairability of the Hijets attrited them away. Domestically producing them to keep the chicken tax/tariffs at bay and having dealer service at the local Toyota dealership will make these appealing again in those markets.

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    colechristensen 7 minutes

    In rural Iowa I saw a ton of those little "UTV", gators, or whatever various brands call them which are effectively beefed up golf carts being driven around town. Trucks have become so enormous and expensive that these somewhat street legal vehicles are taking over for people who just need to go here and there.

    kelp6063 17 minutes

    Farmers and universities have been picking up kei trucks for the last few years for things like groundskeeping work. Being able to sell a brand-new vehicle with parts availability to these customers is what Toyota is trying to capitalize on

    nemomarx 22 minutes

    You do see people taking tractors on roads between farms pretty often, and they usually have the speed limit stuff on.

    chao- 7 minutes

    A friend with a WFH tech job, who lives on his own land (with family and various critters), bought one a few years ago for hauling materials and supplies around his property.

    behringer 19 minutes

    Farmers or land owners. Great for hauling around your property. Like a 4 wheeler with a trailer but road legal.

    jdlshore 19 minutes

    “This makes it not really usable as a daily driver, but keeps it in this beautiful sweet spot where it has a shocking number of commercial and agricultural uses.”

    Liuser 18 minutes

    Doh thank you. No excuses I can give for my poor reading comprehension.

  • __alexander 13 minutes

    It’s a huge mistake to limit the speed to 25mph. When this is released in 2027, Kei trucks will be street legal in Colorado. I would have pre-ordered this without question but that speed makes it useless for basic commuting or running errands.

    lastofthemojito 5 minutes

    Toyota doesn't seem to be aiming for your business just yet. From their press release:

    > As an intentionally low-volume, niche vehicle, the KEI-01 will initially be offered through a fleet-focused pilot program to help the company learn how it can best serve U.S. customers and use cases.

    https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-says-okei-to-america-int...

    I do hope they're able to build on this, and maybe offer left-hand-drive and a more reasonable top speed eventually.

    TSiege 11 minutes

    I think the strategy is specifically not going for customers who want it for those things. It's meant for farms and work sites not commuting or running errands

    bryanlarsen 7 minutes

    AFAICT, This truck will not be able to pass either the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS) or the EPA/CARB emissions standards for high speed vehicles. The new Colorado rules for Kei vehicles does not remove those requirements because it relies on the existing exemptions available for 25+ year old vehicles.

    IOW, it needs to keep the 25mph speed limiter to qualify as a low speed vehicle, even in Colorado.

    mike_d 3 minutes

    EPA/CARB effectively sets a minimum size for trucks. Rather than having a small light truck that can do the job, you get a Ford F250 hauling a single bale of hay.

    But rolling back or adding exemptions for small trucks is political suicide despite the clear environmental benefits.

    bryanlarsen 19 seconds

    The fact that this tiny engine couldn't meet emissions standards is bonkers. But that's the law as written right now.

  • 6DM 10 minutes

    With a built in 25mph limiter, that eliminates "city" driving too unfortunately. Most roads around me are 35 mph.

    There's sizeable demand for people who want to be able to do runs to the bigbox stores for garden and DIY renovation supplies and store it the rest of the time.

    benfrancom 6 minutes

    I see folks going 25mph in 35mph every time I drive!

    kridsdale1 3 minutes

    Speed limits are an upper bound.

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  • lenerdenator 23 minutes

    I like the concept, I just find myself wondering if the Big 3 will pull another Chicken Tax move to protect the full-size pickup golden geese.

    Toyota - and Japan in general - has a helluva trade relationship with the US, but that's effectively all Detroit knows how to beat the world at anymore and they love the margins on their truck portfolios, to the point that they considered sedans and most coupes to be too thin to warrant continued production.

    hydrogen7800 17 minutes

    I recently saw an old kei truck on the road with a CHKNTAX license plate.

    tohnjitor 17 minutes

    Toyota will build this truck in Indiana.

    moate 15 minutes

    600 LB weight limit including passengers, top speed of 25 mph, and right hand drive this feels specifically design to be toothless against American pickups. This is a novelty product, I saw an image of one loaded with half a dozen hay bails and I'm wondering who even needs that? This is a novelty car for vineyard owners and show pony stables. Like you'd get just as much use out of a JD Gator and they probably have worse weight distribution.

    100percentjake 9 minutes

    It wasn't "designed" for or against anything American. This is a purely Japanese design designed to Japanese tastes that has historically seen enough success in American markets that Toyota's market research has deemed the juice worth the squeeze to begin manufacturing them in the US to get around the Chicken Tax that previously made them prohibitively expensive and sell them to fleet purchasers. My local university had 20 or so Daihatsu Hijets running around until (I assume) parts supply dried up and they were replaced with far-more-expensive Ford Bronco Sports and similar compact crossovers.

    lastofthemojito 8 minutes

    The nice thing about a minitruck over something like a Gator is you get an interior.

    I worked golf course landscaping during some summers in college and drove Gators, which did their job well. But they certainly weren't any relief from being out in the sun all day. This Scion minitruck has heat and air conditioning. And locking doors. So it'll be a respite from the outdoors, as well as a secure (well, as secure as any car) place to leave your personal items.