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  • pranav_tech26 26 minutes

    Finally, local iOS virtualization without third-party hacks. Huge win for CI pipelines, though macOS host dependencies still limit scale.

  • catlifeonmars 1 hours

    Does this include a virtual baseband?

  • senor_digimon 36 minutes

    Can this be used for account recovery?

  • ironqcold 5 hours

    Interesting project. If it actually works it opens up a ton of possibilities for testing and reverse engineering.

  • orangea 5 hours

    what is "PCC"?

    busymom0 5 hours

    Private cloud compute I think. I learnt about it today too from this reddit post which mentions how:

    > At WWDC, Apple announced that starting in the 27.x versions of iOS, macOS, etc., devs would be able to call Private Cloud Compute directly from Swift with no additional API configuration. Presently, the only way to get free cloud inference is by joining the App Store Small Business Program.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/appledevelopers/comments/1vztibh/re...

  • leoh 3 hours

    Will Apple break this?

    rvz 1 hours

    They will find a way to break it.

  • chews 4 hours

    What a release! Congrats to the builder, lots of great work done here and in IOS profiling in general has been done here recently. Corellium went research only and I lost the ability to actually profile my applications the way I'd like. I've got a fun thing over coffee in the morning!

    sumedh 2 hours

    Will this project make it easier to performance test Apps on the virtual iPhone?

    krackers 3 hours

    Feels weird that after their attempts to shut down corellium they themselves shipped the necessary bits to allow this

    https://github.com/wh1te4ever/super-tart-vphone-writeup

  • dvduval 2 hours

    Will there ever be a day where I could run this on a PC or something like it?

    greggsy 29 minutes

    Probably not, but you can run it on a Mac today.

  • TylerJaacks 4 hours

    This project is really cool its a shame you have to disable or partial disable SIP which can break some things.

    fishfasell 2 hours

    Yeah real shame that I know I could never run this on a corporate machine and only ever as a hobbyist.

    sneak 47 minutes

    Have corporate buy you a research Air that isn’t on the MDM.

    userbinator 1 hours

    That means you're working for the wrong companies ;-)

  • boredatoms 5 hours

    Is this what apple does in xcode?

    vlovich123 5 hours

    If you’re talking about the simulator, no. That doesn’t virtualize - it literally just runs it locally on your machine. Less RAM overhead and CPU since it uses your normal instruction set and doesn’t run a separate kernel and userspace.

    valleyer 5 hours

    At least historically, it actually did run its own entire userspace, including daemons (all the way to launchd, IIRC), etc. All compiled for Intel, back in the day. Shared the kernel though.

    Many of the nominally shared system pieces between Mac and iPhone (like Foundation) actually had many subtle compile-time differences.

    theflyestpilot 4 hours

    so can this receive web push notifications?

  • root9876 4 hours

    > during iOS setup, don't pick Japan or the EU as your region (extra regulatory checks the VM can't satisfy)

    I'm curious what are these checks

    astafrig 2 hours

    In addition to the third-party installation capability mentioned by siblings, Japan also has a regional capability for reassigning the side button to a third-party voice assistant (`com.apple.developer.side-button-access.allow`).

    rootnod3 3 hours

    For Japan it might be the Felica chip.

    koito17 1 hours

    That would surprise me. I don't recall having to change my iPhone's region after moving to Japan. Transport IC cards in Apple Pay have "just worked".

    I am vaguely aware that some phone manufacturers silently remove certain NFC hardware (or disable some driver) in order to avoid paying Sony patent fees. Apple doesn't seem to do that, though.

    benoau 3 hours

    It will be to prevent access to third-party app stores as both the EU and Japan legislated they must be allowed.

    > In a support document about alternative app marketplaces in the EU, Apple explained that “device eligibility for alternative app marketplaces is determined using on-device processing with only an indicator of eligibility sent to Apple.” In practice, iOS users in the EU who want to install alternative marketplaces will need to set the country or region of their Apple ID to an eligible country or region. Moreover, they will also need to be physically located in supported EU countries.

    > In the case iOS users in the EU leave eligible regions, Apple will offer a “grace period” until apps downloaded from alternative app stores can no longer be updated. “If you’re gone for too long, you’ll lose access to some features, including installing new alternative app marketplaces. Apps you installed from alternative app marketplaces will continue to function, but they can’t be updated by the marketplace you downloaded it from,” the company explained.

    https://www.thurrott.com/apple/298862/apple-adds-some-condit...

    dingdongditchme 2 hours

    Wait so a third party app-store is allowed in the EU? I was not aware these even existed...

    xkgt 1 hours

    It is wild that Apple finds it cheaper to build and maintain different App store behaviors than to simplify and make alt app stores available in all markets. Other governments/markets don't care?

    surajrmal 24 minutes

    Who said it's cheaper?

    tonyhart7 1 hours

    "Other governments/markets don't care?"

    its the least of their problems

    grim_io 1 hours

    There's an endless supply of bodies of water to be renamed.

    benoau 1 hours

    It's a very slow process, first there is investigations, then legislation, then enactment, then enforcement which is separately a very slow process. It requires a lot of willpower to get and keep the ball rolling and in fact nobody has even achieved the full extent of what they require yet! The EU may still be years away from meaningful compliance, Japan has only taken baby steps forming a new bureau just to enforce compliance of two companies widely accused of malicious compliance.

    And then there is additional discouragement and pressure in the form of sanction and trade deal threats for regulating American tech platforms.

    exe34 16 minutes

    > And then there is additional discouragement and pressure in the form of sanction and trade deal threats for regulating American tech platforms.

    What people don't realise is that local companies aren't just competing with each other, they're competing against the US military.

    aaronbrethorst 2 hours

    Since 2024: https://www.macstories.net/news/altstore-is-now-available-in...

    https://altstore.io

    DANmode 54 minutes

    Any working way to spoof your locale to trick this into any form of usability?

    surajrmal 20 minutes

    You need to fake the cell towers and change your accounts billing address. It's not trivial.

    aaronbrethorst 49 minutes

    I have never tried. I'm sure there are some reddit threads about this though.

  • hamandcheese 4 hours

    This seams neat, but I'm not sure I understand the purpose/difference between this and using the iOS simulator.

    speedyapoc 1 hours

    Looks like this tool can provide a jailbroken environment for the latest iOS versions whereas one does not exist on iOS simulator or a real device

    zffr 30 minutes

    Here are some reasons to use this instead of the simulator: security research, testing, automation

    ChrisMarshallNY 2 hours

    The simulator is a completely different OS. It may even still be using Intel.

    I always figured that Apple never set up a true emulator (like what Android does), because they didn't want people exploring their OS with a debugger.

    kridsdale1 2 hours

    Incorrect. The iOS simulator is and always has been, simply iOS frameworks running fully natively on macOS. It’s best to think of it as an alternative window managers but the apps are native Mac processes. They can be seen and debugged via the terminal using top and ps and lldb alongside all other processes. They just present gui via the Simulator Mac app container.

    They do not live in a VM and are certainly not emulated at an instruction set level. They are Mac apps.

    ChrisMarshallNY 2 hours

    Ah. That makes sense.

    I would think that "Mac apps," means that they are, actually, a different OS (I actually already knew that, which was why I said what I said. The Intel thing was a spitball).

    But one of the few joys geeks get, these days, is telling other geeks they are wrong, so I feel as if I’ve done my bit to make this a happier place.

    restes 4 hours

    The iOS Simulator consists of (some of) the userspace components of iOS compiled to run on macOS. This would be a full iPhone image running as-is via virtualization.

    RussianCow 3 hours

    That explains the difference, but what's the purpose?

    whynotmaybe 2 hours

    The simulator doesn't have a camera. The android emulator allows to configure the camera and use a picture, it's very handy to test your qr/barcode reader without needing to use a physical device. Maybe this also allows to use an image as camera?

    gcampos 2 hours

    You cannot run Network Extensions on the simulator

    leoh 3 hours

    If functional, you can download apps from the App Store, sign in to iCloud.. probably do a bunch of agentic stuff as if you had a real device

    Sajarin 3 hours

    Looks like apple services compatibility is not currently supported for this [0]

    [0] https://github.com/Lakr233/vphone-cli/discussions/175

    rvz 1 hours

    Exactly. It means it cannot download apps from the App Store or use Apple services and Apple knows this deliberate limitation.

    VladVladikoff 3 hours

    Spam. Click farms. Etc.

    trollbridge 3 hours

    It would also make testing far easier. I got bit with something that failed on real life iPhones with language set to es_US that worked fine on the simulator.

    trueno 40 minutes

    oh. is this why icloud spam texts are running wild now

    greggsy 30 minutes

    No, it’s just trivial to generate iCloud email addresses that won’t get picked up by spam filter.

    a012 3 hours

    You can test your application, game, website without a physical phone?

    leoh 3 hours

    Can do that with the simulator too

    refulgentis 3 hours

    Running on ported userspace components, with a shim, isn't the same as running on the OS in itself.

    That really matters, sometimes.

    But not the vast majority of the time.

    (source: been coding iOS since pre-SDK iPhone OS 1.0)

    dingdongditchme 2 hours

    Is the simulator faster than this? I would suspect so.

    RussianCow 2 hours

    Can you give some examples of where it matters? I'm genuinely curious.

    bradfitz 2 hours

    Last I checked, VPN network extensions wouldn't run in the simulator.