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  • arjie 5 minutes

    Somewhat surprised that Meta with all their resources couldn’t make a model that matches Composer on any frontier. All the Sparks are dominated by some other model everywhere along the frontier. Nothing fancy here since Llama defined the open model.

    The use traces must be crucial to functionality which is why they’re keeping prices so low.

  • WhitneyLand 12 minutes

    They chose to compare against Open AI’s mid tier model Terra instead of Sol and still lost some benchmark against it.

    They left Opus in and got beat in all but one benchmark.

    Nothing wrong with trying to improve, but why the marketing games?

    Instead of trying to say in the post you’re “closer” to frontier, first set a clear goal to beat the Chinese labs on price or performance and demonstrate it convincingly.

    Then when your ready, come back and talk frontier without playing hide the model.

  • kcb 47 minutes

    Open the weights.

  • Cappybara12 19 minutes

    Is this becoming a race where we have a usual flow of a company .. AI models, Coding agents, image generation tools, and more AI models ?

  • rvz 55 minutes

    First of all, you have login to use it. Why?

    After everything that you have seen with Meta, would you really trust them with a coding agent? You don't even know if your prompts are being analyzed by them on the side or if your code base is being uploaded to them. This goes for the rest of them that have closed harnesses and closed models gated by a login.

    Think twice before falling for this announcement and ask yourself what they are not telling you.

  • daemonologist 34 minutes

    Pricing: https://dev.meta.ai/docs/pricing-rate-limits

    Interesting that they have separate API pricing for "we can train on your data" (whereas iirc most of the big players either make that distinction only between subscriptions and API usage, or train on everything). Wonder how it compares to Deepseek V4 Flash given that they're similar on pricing and data policy.

  • conradkay 35 minutes

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HO-59jQaoAA_JZ1?format=jpg

    Very interesting they have a way cheaper "contributor" version "used to improve our products", how much of that is price discrimination vs the data being that valuable?

    Roughly DeepSeek V4 Flash pricing, though you can get V4 from providers that don't train on your data

  • AtlanticThird 9 minutes

    I wish they would add a ZDR endpoint on OpenRouter

  • bradfa 21 minutes

    If you got the $20 in free credits from Meta for signing up when muse-spark-1.1 was release, please note that there's now small print stating "While using free credits your content may be used for product improvement" which was not present at muse-spark-1.1 launch when the credits were given out.

    If you don't mind Meta retaining your data, the "Contributor" pricing is deepseek-v4-flash-level of low, roughly 1/10th normal muse-spark API pricing currently. Attractive if you're OK with them retaining and using your data.

  • paulkrush 1 hours

    Muse Spark 1.2 is a coding-focused update to Muse Spark 1.1, with improvements in code generation, complex debugging, codebase understanding, and end-to-end developer workflows. In Muse Spark 1.2, we significantly scaled up training compute on coding tasks while expanding training environment diversity. The model also maintains its strength in other key areas like general agents.

  • IceWreck 17 minutes

    Ive been poking with the muse code binary - seems to be written in rust, looks similar to codex but either its a very hard fork (i also see dissimilar things like config format is different, no acp, etc) or is just heavily inspired by it.

  • Bolwin 54 minutes

    > Muse Spark 1.2 is available today in Muse Code and in Meta Model API with expanded global access

    Wasn't the previous one us only? This is probably the biggest part of the post

    Anyone know if muse code is open source?

  • Readerium 17 minutes

    Lol worse than DeepSeek

  • fcoury 36 minutes

    Interesting, it seems like their muse code is built upon Codex CLI?

  • liviux 37 minutes

    Does this muse code have any muse spark 1.2 usage included? Can't understand from the docs.

  • esafak 39 minutes

    If anyone from Meta is reading, please can you publish the cost and latency for each of your benchmarks, like OpenAI does? Show us how the reasoning effort level affects them in 2D charts. This needs to become standard practice.

  • tristanj 3 minutes

    Meta is offering a 10x discount on input ($0.10 vs. $1.25/Mtok) and 20x discount on output ($0.20 vs. $4.25/Mtok) if you opt in to let them train on your data.

    https://developer.meta.com/ai/models/muse-spark/

  • sarjann 5 minutes

    I do think some of features in their harness seem interesting (workers in separate worktrees at once), recovery from crashes seem interesting.

  • wxw 20 minutes

    Last I heard, everyone at Meta was using Claude Code.

    Any insiders know how Muse Code is doing internally?

    GodelNumbering 5 minutes

    If there were, do you believe it would be in their interest to answer this publicly?

  • mchusma 48 minutes

    This is a nice release and a solid improvement over Spark 1.1. It compares favorably with Grok 4.5. Not SOTA, but solid releases. I think they need to really get this more competitive with Deepseek V4 Flash / Luna pricing to move the needle.

    handzhiev 26 minutes

    If you are happy to share data for training, the contributor mode offers amazing price $0.10 / $0.20

  • king_crimson 22 minutes

    Why does every AI lab feel the need to build their own coding agent…? Don’t we have more than enough already?

    10 minutes

  • qphe95 54 minutes

    Theres no actual evidence they didn't just distill Kimi K3

    toephu2 39 minutes

    At this point, it doesn't matter who is distilling from who.

    Jabrov 19 minutes

    Is there any actual evidence that they did?

  • giancarlostoro 29 minutes

    Will someone at Meta for the love of God make it so none of this stuff goes through Facebook.com? You want customers but most corporate firewalls block social media. Also, a lot of devs do not want their work stuff tied up to their facebook account. For the love of all things show the IG / FB logins as optional and do email as primary.

    I am not a fan of Meta but I do cheer for any competitors against OpenAI and Anthropic, the duopoly is getting tiresome.

    hahahaa 8 minutes

    China says hi.

    greyb 7 minutes

    I honestly think they're kinda banking on piggybacking off of Facebook account integrity systems to avoid the problems that other LLM providers are facing in trying to prevent mass free trial signups for token relays and so forth.

    It's not a good system obviously. Google did this as well for Gemini-CLI, but forced it to be linked to personal Google accounts (which caused a great deal of onboarding friction).

    aanet 26 minutes

    +10000 to that

  • minimaxir 56 minutes

    Muse Spark 1.1 was released July 16th, less than a month ago. A new version release this soon (particularly after Kimi K3's release drastically overshadowed it) is a bit sus and it appears that Meta is trying a first launch do-over.

    gaogao 8 minutes

    Frequent minor version bumps are pretty common these days. Opus 4.7 -> 4.8 was 42 days.

    minimaxir 6 minutes

    Which was in itself a do-over because Opus 4.7 received a lot of bad press on suspicion of being a regression from 4.6.

  • ipsum2 1 hours

    I wonder why they didn't compare with GPT-5.6-sol, only Terra?

    Handy-Man 50 minutes

    Their bigger model is not ready - watermelon code name was still being prepared for release as of a month ago

    logicchains 57 minutes

    Presumably because it's worse than Sol, same reason they compared it to Opus 5 not Fable.

    woadwarrior01 52 minutes

    Haven't you seen the kernel optimization case study at the bottom of the page? They compare against GPT-5.6 Sol and their model is worse.

    wmf 58 minutes

    Clearly they're positioning it as a mid model.

    minimaxir 52 minutes

    Which is in itself a bit weird as mid models nowadays are a golden mean fallacy. Terra is much less popular than both Luna (cost-sensitive) and Sol (performance-sensitive).

    Claude Sonnet is a weird exception to the mid models because Anthropic doesn't do much with Haiku and Opus is too big.

    redox99 12 minutes

    But why include Opus then?