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  • RajT88 1 hours

    The insane thing for me is seeing how tightly meth purity correlated with the airing of Breaking Bad.

  • s5300 41 minutes

    [dead]

  • newsclues 59 minutes

    Thanks China.

  • trhway 46 minutes

    >He points out that “old” meth was made from ephedrine and that “new” meth is made from a chemical called Phenylacetone or P2P

    the new is just the old that came back. The old meth, "biker meth", was P2P. Then was ephedrine, and with a crackdown on ephedrine - back to P2P.

    Another interesting thing - the recent shortage of ADHD medication while supposedly illegal meth production has been growing. Demand is present in both cases while capitalism model of responding with supply works well only in one.

    arcfour 6 minutes

    In the former case, you have government artificially suppressing supply and acting to dissuade pharmacies from keeping almost any extra stock, which is unfortunate.

  • keepamovin 31 minutes

    The ephedrine (or pseudoephedrine) synthesis is a one step using phosphorus/iodine reduction directly to methamphetamine. It’s simple and clean in that only an acid base extraction is required, and only one set of NP solvents.

    All these others syntheses with multiple steps up the chances of weird toxic solvents or contaminants creeping in. I think it’s a contaminant issue that’s exacerbated by the drug use.

    The government should just regulate it, control purity and production and let people access small amounts for recreation/performance. It’s not an evil drug per se - long history before it was criminalized. Plus that would neuter the cartels and protect people’s health more than pushing it underground.

    therobots927 8 minutes

    Check out the book “The Fort Bragg Cartel” if you’re wondering why drugs are illegal even if legalization makes more sense from a harm reduction standpoint. The highest levels of the military are involved in drug trafficking. Use of drugs by clandestine colonial states goes all the way back to the opium wars. US is nothing new. The deep state funds off the books operations with drug money and possibly human trafficking as well.

  • f33d5173 1 hours

    Tried clicking the fivethirtyeight link halfway down the article, and was immediately reminded of what abc decided to start doing today. What an asshole move.

    umanwizard 12 minutes

    What are you referring to?

    soupfordummies 3 minutes

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48152553

    asdff 4 minutes

    ABC deleted all the old 538 archives and refused to entertain selling the IP back to Nate Silver and prefer to let it die.

  • SV_BubbleTime 1 hours

    Fantastic write up.

    I think the biggest takeaway for me is just how insanely ineffective banning pseudoephedrine over the counter was.

    Price went down, usage went up overdose went up, seizures went up, the production just changed quickly and there wasn’t even a blip.

    Billions of uses of bullshit decongestant products that didn’t work at all… and to get the good stuff you still need to buy it from behind the counter and give ID.

    nerdsniper 38 minutes

    The other day I needed pseudoephedrine, so I asked for one box of instant tablets and one box of extended release capsules. The store said they’re only allowed to sell me one box so I had to choose.

    I’m so glad these policies made it so meth isn’t super easy to find anymore.

    Oh wait, meth is still dirt cheap fucking everywhere, but now I also can’t get effective cold medicine either. Can we please just admit this policy doesn’t have any effect on the meth supply curve and please put pseudoephedrine back in Dayquil?

    boldlybold 45 minutes

    That's all correct, and nobody seems to care. Nobody is ever going to improve the system, and us law abiding citizens are left with the consequences.

    LocalH 28 minutes

    Human society has a massive issue with blindness towards n-order effects (they barely consider second-order effects, never mind thinking further out)

    meowkit 14 minutes

    I don't think its innate though - most people I've met can think of higher order consequences or at least understand them.

    The real issue is actually measuring results. I think we have to design society to factor higher order effects in. That means a fundamentally new approach to things like voting and tracking accountability.

    Is it even possible? Who knows. Sometimes I think our problems have outstripped individual life spans which makes them intractable.